Is compression overused?

topic posted Sat, January 17, 2004 - 6:18 AM by  €Яוֹ©
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  • Re: Is compression overused?

    Sat, January 17, 2004 - 10:36 AM
    ??...how do you mean?
    • Re: Is compression overused?

      Tue, January 20, 2004 - 4:02 PM
      in the studio, and mastering. Do you think that a lot of stuff you hear is over compressed, or not so much. Sorry just trying to see if there were any gems to mine?
      • Re: Is compression overused?

        Tue, January 20, 2004 - 4:07 PM
        Compression can really beef up a track. But like any other effect, it should be used sparingly. If you get in the habit of automatically adding any effect while you work, you should stop and question that.

        And yeah, vocals get washed a ton -- compression is just a small part of the effect fiesta they use on pop vocals.
        • Re: Is compression overused?

          Wed, January 21, 2004 - 4:14 AM
          Well I found that when I was processing all of the tracks for the upcoming The Blots album, that I would go in and EQ, PAN, and Compress everything, thinking everything needed it. And everything started sound horrid after a while until I toggled off most noticably, the compression. I think working with a good drummer on a bad kit for so long got me used to trying to mold the drum sounds into usable drum sounds. Then when I got someone on a decent kit, I didn't need it so much.
          • Re: Is compression overused?

            Wed, January 21, 2004 - 1:48 PM
            Nice! I got on a compression kick for a while too. Now I focus much more on getting better quality sounds to begin with. I find as I take the time to program better patches and tweak any samples that I have track after track without even EQ added. So I totally agree with you on the drum kit. It's so damn refreshing to cut back on the effects. Of course, I have a few signature effect chains I can't do without, but that's another issue entirely.
            • Re: Is compression overused?

              Fri, May 21, 2004 - 10:20 AM
              Yes. It's totally overused. But I still love it. Too much is a bad thing, but if you can get it to the point where it is nicely compressing a stereo mix, right up to the point where it starts getting to be too much - sometimes I find that the damn thing mixes for me. Certain instruments pop out at the right times and it creates a very dynamic mix. I love pumping drums, and especially ducking cymbal crashes with a kick drum. That is just something I got used to hearing from Ringo's incessant use of ride cymbals when I was a kid. I wish I could find some nice Fairchild limiters at a garage sale...right! Dream on.
  • Re: Is compression overused?

    Wed, June 2, 2004 - 1:55 AM
    I'd say it quite often is overused.

    1) Compression is commonly used on a mix to make it "louder".
    (and "louder" is thought to be "better"). In situations where
    the listener controls the volume to their preference this would seem to be pointless.

    2) People trying to mix a "hit record" often compare their mix
    to the sound of a popular radio station. The radio station uses compression (usually 5 band). So the track being mixed gets compressed to match the radio. When that track itself gets airplay it will be compressed again by the station, so it gets double treatment. If the new track is playing when someone is mastering their latest creation, and they happen to use that station for comparison...............

    3) As I actually enjoy the expressive variations in volume which occur when someone plays an instrument, I don't usually hear compression as an improvement.

    andy butler


    • Re: Is compression overused?

      Sun, July 25, 2004 - 4:10 AM
      I generally agree with you, Andy (and hi, by the way, how did the Cambridge Loopfest go?)

      One exception, however (and there are many more, I'm sure) is
      using compression when one is playing the quiet and not so consonant harmonics way up the neck on a guitar or bass: Some really interesting harmonic possibilities leap out at you because of the way heavy compression can equalize the volume of all those partial harmonics.

      It gives it a very gamelan esque effect that you just can't attain with pure acoustic technique (just due to the physics of the instrument).

      The other thing is that certain drum tones truly make new timbres when heavily squashed.

      I, myself, rarely use compression (just because it seems like everyone over does it and I want my stuff to sound a little different) but the judicious use (or even over the top use of
      compression can sometimes make for a wonderful timbral contrast in a mix where most things aren't compressed.

      I'm with you though: as a substitute for lack of technique it doesn't ring my bell.
      • Re: Is compression overused?

        Sun, August 8, 2004 - 7:30 AM
        Hi Rick,
        Cambridge was excellent.

        I hear what you're saying about timbre and
        compressed bass/gtr.

        ..and somehow I think you're trying to tempt
        me into compressor land with that gamelan comment.

        :-)

        andy


  • Re: Is compression overused?

    Thu, May 4, 2006 - 10:54 AM
    Frequently, yes, compression is overused.

    Sometime in the last year or so, an article came up on Slashdot.org about a recent Rush album being overcompressed, or limited, actually, such that the drum peaks were missing the "oomph" that they would have had were they left natural.

    Not a new phenomenon, either. I am a fan of 80's music (mostly because I came of age in that decade) and have found that many of my albums (yes, I mean vinyl) sound a LOT better if played through an expander. It doesn't have to be a wild, off-the wall expander, just the playback section of a standalone Dolby B processor will do it.

    Interestingly enough, the CD re-releases of many of these sound fine, but this is not universal.

    As for broadcasting, good compression and limitation is kind of necessary there. You are working with source material that has a much greater dynamic range than the medium into which you are trying to shoehorn it, and you need to make the most of it. By using 5-band compression, the tonal inequalities from recording to recording go away.

    For AM stations, especially talk stations, I am willing to forgive a great deal of excess compression, because there is a direct correlation between the RMS of the input audio and the envelope of the RF output of the transmitter. In other words, more audio power means more RF power. This can be even further enhanced by judicious use of negative peak limiting.

    However, I think that compression is less important for FM than AM stations, yet many FM stations just *WAY* overdo it. FM is a near high fidelity signal format. It boasts double to triple the frequency response and typically a 15-20dB better S/N ratio than AM. As such, the compression could be peeled back a bit.

    Only four FM radio stations in my region seem to understand that: WRPI, a college station (engineering college, go figure), WAMC, an NPR station, WMHT, a classical music station, and WEQX, an independent rock station.